I think Joe is fine. One bad day . You don’t put someone into a retirement facility for one bad day. And you don’t pull a capable man from running for President for one bad day. You do and you’ll get FOUR nightmare years with Trump. Don’t be stupid. Stay the course.
One performance does not F up an entire theatre production. So go ahead & try effectively running the USA while recovering from a cold/flu and a day of events then facing a clown act spewing 100% bullsh*t. Many elected presidents failed to win at least one debate. If you were Biden positive before the debate and only now flipped positions on it… “ya’all need to calm down” as Taylor Swift says.
I’m noticing that Biden’s most ardent defenders seem to be older (40+) white Democratic females, while most normie Democratic males of all political stripes are eager to pull the plug. This must mean something.
It seems that at the Bulwark, the comments with ten-line paragraphs (a measure of ardency) supporting Biden seem to be written disproportionately by older (40+) females, judging by the relatively “old style” adherence to grammatical structure, lack of typos, etc. If one is to believe Jennifer Rubin’s recent observation that white males are disproportionately represented in the anti-Biden camp, then it follows that females must now dominate the pro-Biden camp.
Your main contention is there’s a distinction between people above and below a certain age. And you method for determining who is above or below that age is…. how many typos they make?
Okay. It doesn’t bother me at all if you want to nitpick at my “older” comment, or my measure of ardency. I’ll stipulate that these aren’t necessarily “older” females. What doesn’t change is that Biden’s most ardent (or just in terms of number) defenders are females. They and Establishment Black male figures - people like Al Sharpton and James Clyburn. If Jennifer Rubin’s observation that the anti-Biden camp is disproportionately white males is true, then it follows that the pro-Biden camp therefore must be disproportionately female.
The white males in the anti-Biden camp make up the bulk of MAGA. They’ve been against any Democrat for years. Means nothing regarding the strength or not of support for Biden now.
She was referring to white male Democrats who want to dump Biden. By “anti-Biden camp”, I’m referring to Democrats who want to replace Biden on the ticket with someone else, versus those who want to keep him on the ticket.
General Mark Milley should be considered a viable candidate. He has the ability to shake this race up as a wildcard that can attract fence sitters, independents and even Republicans. He as the ability to appeal to enough of the DNC so as to avoid an all out donneybrook. He certainly doesn't suffer fools.
“I do believe a replacement could beat Donald Trump,”
Who, Ben? And how?
All I ever see from the “dump Biden“ crowd are vague fairy wishes like this.
No explanation for how the Democratic Party wouldn’t tear itself apart as people scramble to become the replacement. No plan for how anyone with less name recognition and NO MONEY would get a campaign up and running and on ballots in all 50 states with less than four months to go. “These issues can’t be wished away” indeed.
The Republicans media would be broadcasting “Dems and disarray“ stories 24/7 and for once they would not be lying. But, hey, I’m sure “somebody” could manage to pull out a win over Trump. My fairy godmother told me so.
“I'm stunned, saddened, and a bit aghast that” Ben has become a shill for Trump by calling for Biden to step down.
No plan for what’s next. No recognition of the many consequences (party chaos, voter anger at Dems, etc etc), any one of which would hand the election to Trump. Just a “Biden should quit” followed by burying his head in the sand.
I’m more than stunned, saddened, and aghast. I’m disgusted by how easily Ben’s given up.
I’m a paid subscriber and that won’t change. But my opinion of Ben’s judgement has taken a serious hit.
America now has a council of elders made up of religious zealots in robes who decide which Presidents can do whatever they like and which Presidents will have all their decisions blocked or overruled, its religious fundamentalists deciding that the Presidents they favour get to rule and the Presidents don’t like are blocked from enacting their agenda
Can someone tell me what the fundamental difference is between this arrangement and the governing structure of Iran?
“ Never mind the fact that NATO (America included) hasn’t invaded anyone, threatened anyone with nuclear weapons, and has pledged only to respond to Putin’s aggression.”
The normies call deviants cringe and now they are negatively trying to spin the word "weird" for old school non-conformists, ensuring there is no way for good unconventionals to be in the conversation. It just shows how fractured political parties can be and unable to effectively reach a consensus to win an election.
Couldn’t help noting that pessimistic misanthrope (or misanthropic pessimist — your call) Bill Maher, in today’s NYT op-ed, considered almost everybody as a Biden replacement — except Kamala Harris, whom he only mentioned negatively. Really, Bill, WTF is your problem with her? 🤔😉😊
First off Ben, I agree with you wholeheartedly about Biden. He has delivered in his first term, but is now frail and disoriented. He was supposed to be a one term president, who would mentor and hand the baton to the next generation of democratic leaders; however, at some point, he became just like Trump: “only he alone, can save democracy.”
And here we are! The only hope to defeat a fascist, authoritarian kleptocrat is an 81 year old octogenarian, who apparently believes we “defeated Medicare,” and can’t complete a coherent sentence that isn’t written on a teleprompter.
As for Gabbard? I saw the Mahr show and thought the same things. I’m not sure she’s a Russian asset, but she certainly plays the part well on TV. I think she, just like Greenwald and Taibbi have jumped into the abyss. They had some arguments with fellow democrats and completely turned on the party.
These people have shown their true colors. They’re more interested in revenge than justice. They refuse to criticize Trump, but cannot find enough fault with democrats in general, while republicans and a fascist SC, are taking a sledgehammer to our Constitution.
They may not be on Putin’s payroll, but they’re certainly milking their anti-democrat bonafides for every MAGA dollar they can get….:)
So we’re back to the same system of governance that has plagued humanity since the dawn of chiefdoms. Only this time it’s going to be global, with no place to escape.
If Biden keeps up his post-debate momentum, the debate should be long forgotten by November. But he should make it more clear what happened (too much cold medicine, too little sleep; something most people can empathize with), and how a 90-minute performance on stage under bright lights in no way compares to the policy work he does day in and day out. My biggest beef with the DNC (and this goes back 20+ years) is the concept of a polite queue for power. Al Gore put in his time as VP and was ushered to the front of the line in 2000. Hillary lost to Obama, so she was the ONLY candidate they truly backed in 2016. And now Harris -- well, we can't take away her turn, she's waited in the wings so patiently! I love Harris, but feel if the DNC whiffs this election, there is no 2028. They gotta bring brawlers to the forefront who can project strength and stamina. Keep Biden on as senior policy advisor and give Harris a plum Cabinet role. Personally, I'd rather see Harris back in Congress to shore up leadership. And as for Tulsi -- I loathe when Maher gives a platform to people who just come on to spout one-way monologues. Kelli Anne Conway, Anne Coulter, Elon Musk, etc. I see why he brought her on though -- both HATED mask mandates, Maher because it derailed his standup career. He will never get over it and it keeps sliding him toward extremism.
I don’t know why Democrats are unable to think outside the box and propose a ticket like an electable centrist (in Democratic terms) Black Man and Peter Aguilar. Why are the usual names always brought up, the overwhelming majority of whom are still engaging in Democrats’ gaslighting campaign.
I think Joe is fine. One bad day . You don’t put someone into a retirement facility for one bad day. And you don’t pull a capable man from running for President for one bad day. You do and you’ll get FOUR nightmare years with Trump. Don’t be stupid. Stay the course.
One performance does not F up an entire theatre production. So go ahead & try effectively running the USA while recovering from a cold/flu and a day of events then facing a clown act spewing 100% bullsh*t. Many elected presidents failed to win at least one debate. If you were Biden positive before the debate and only now flipped positions on it… “ya’all need to calm down” as Taylor Swift says.
I’m noticing that Biden’s most ardent defenders seem to be older (40+) white Democratic females, while most normie Democratic males of all political stripes are eager to pull the plug. This must mean something.
Noticing this where?
It seems that at the Bulwark, the comments with ten-line paragraphs (a measure of ardency) supporting Biden seem to be written disproportionately by older (40+) females, judging by the relatively “old style” adherence to grammatical structure, lack of typos, etc. If one is to believe Jennifer Rubin’s recent observation that white males are disproportionately represented in the anti-Biden camp, then it follows that females must now dominate the pro-Biden camp.
Your main contention is there’s a distinction between people above and below a certain age. And you method for determining who is above or below that age is…. how many typos they make?
Gosh, can’t get more scientific than that!
Okay. It doesn’t bother me at all if you want to nitpick at my “older” comment, or my measure of ardency. I’ll stipulate that these aren’t necessarily “older” females. What doesn’t change is that Biden’s most ardent (or just in terms of number) defenders are females. They and Establishment Black male figures - people like Al Sharpton and James Clyburn. If Jennifer Rubin’s observation that the anti-Biden camp is disproportionately white males is true, then it follows that the pro-Biden camp therefore must be disproportionately female.
The white males in the anti-Biden camp make up the bulk of MAGA. They’ve been against any Democrat for years. Means nothing regarding the strength or not of support for Biden now.
She was referring to white male Democrats who want to dump Biden. By “anti-Biden camp”, I’m referring to Democrats who want to replace Biden on the ticket with someone else, versus those who want to keep him on the ticket.
General Mark Milley should be considered a viable candidate. He has the ability to shake this race up as a wildcard that can attract fence sitters, independents and even Republicans. He as the ability to appeal to enough of the DNC so as to avoid an all out donneybrook. He certainly doesn't suffer fools.
“I do believe a replacement could beat Donald Trump,”
Who, Ben? And how?
All I ever see from the “dump Biden“ crowd are vague fairy wishes like this.
No explanation for how the Democratic Party wouldn’t tear itself apart as people scramble to become the replacement. No plan for how anyone with less name recognition and NO MONEY would get a campaign up and running and on ballots in all 50 states with less than four months to go. “These issues can’t be wished away” indeed.
The Republicans media would be broadcasting “Dems and disarray“ stories 24/7 and for once they would not be lying. But, hey, I’m sure “somebody” could manage to pull out a win over Trump. My fairy godmother told me so.
“I'm stunned, saddened, and a bit aghast that” Ben has become a shill for Trump by calling for Biden to step down.
No plan for what’s next. No recognition of the many consequences (party chaos, voter anger at Dems, etc etc), any one of which would hand the election to Trump. Just a “Biden should quit” followed by burying his head in the sand.
I’m more than stunned, saddened, and aghast. I’m disgusted by how easily Ben’s given up.
I’m a paid subscriber and that won’t change. But my opinion of Ben’s judgement has taken a serious hit.
America now has a council of elders made up of religious zealots in robes who decide which Presidents can do whatever they like and which Presidents will have all their decisions blocked or overruled, its religious fundamentalists deciding that the Presidents they favour get to rule and the Presidents don’t like are blocked from enacting their agenda
Can someone tell me what the fundamental difference is between this arrangement and the governing structure of Iran?
“ Never mind the fact that NATO (America included) hasn’t invaded anyone”
Panama, Grenada, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria, and Libya might disagree. I’m amazed that anyone can make such a claim.
“ Never mind the fact that NATO (America included) hasn’t invaded anyone, threatened anyone with nuclear weapons, and has pledged only to respond to Putin’s aggression.”
https://www.dw.com/en/libya-still-plagued-by-conflict-10-years-after-nato-intervention/a-56921306
The normies call deviants cringe and now they are negatively trying to spin the word "weird" for old school non-conformists, ensuring there is no way for good unconventionals to be in the conversation. It just shows how fractured political parties can be and unable to effectively reach a consensus to win an election.
Boy, am I gonna have a lot to talk about with my therapist Wednesday… 🤔😉😊
Couldn’t help noting that pessimistic misanthrope (or misanthropic pessimist — your call) Bill Maher, in today’s NYT op-ed, considered almost everybody as a Biden replacement — except Kamala Harris, whom he only mentioned negatively. Really, Bill, WTF is your problem with her? 🤔😉😊
What’s his problem with Harris? I don’t know, I can’t white put my finger on it.
First off Ben, I agree with you wholeheartedly about Biden. He has delivered in his first term, but is now frail and disoriented. He was supposed to be a one term president, who would mentor and hand the baton to the next generation of democratic leaders; however, at some point, he became just like Trump: “only he alone, can save democracy.”
And here we are! The only hope to defeat a fascist, authoritarian kleptocrat is an 81 year old octogenarian, who apparently believes we “defeated Medicare,” and can’t complete a coherent sentence that isn’t written on a teleprompter.
As for Gabbard? I saw the Mahr show and thought the same things. I’m not sure she’s a Russian asset, but she certainly plays the part well on TV. I think she, just like Greenwald and Taibbi have jumped into the abyss. They had some arguments with fellow democrats and completely turned on the party.
These people have shown their true colors. They’re more interested in revenge than justice. They refuse to criticize Trump, but cannot find enough fault with democrats in general, while republicans and a fascist SC, are taking a sledgehammer to our Constitution.
They may not be on Putin’s payroll, but they’re certainly milking their anti-democrat bonafides for every MAGA dollar they can get….:)
So we’re back to the same system of governance that has plagued humanity since the dawn of chiefdoms. Only this time it’s going to be global, with no place to escape.
It’s the wave of the future! Everybody wave!
If Biden keeps up his post-debate momentum, the debate should be long forgotten by November. But he should make it more clear what happened (too much cold medicine, too little sleep; something most people can empathize with), and how a 90-minute performance on stage under bright lights in no way compares to the policy work he does day in and day out. My biggest beef with the DNC (and this goes back 20+ years) is the concept of a polite queue for power. Al Gore put in his time as VP and was ushered to the front of the line in 2000. Hillary lost to Obama, so she was the ONLY candidate they truly backed in 2016. And now Harris -- well, we can't take away her turn, she's waited in the wings so patiently! I love Harris, but feel if the DNC whiffs this election, there is no 2028. They gotta bring brawlers to the forefront who can project strength and stamina. Keep Biden on as senior policy advisor and give Harris a plum Cabinet role. Personally, I'd rather see Harris back in Congress to shore up leadership. And as for Tulsi -- I loathe when Maher gives a platform to people who just come on to spout one-way monologues. Kelli Anne Conway, Anne Coulter, Elon Musk, etc. I see why he brought her on though -- both HATED mask mandates, Maher because it derailed his standup career. He will never get over it and it keeps sliding him toward extremism.
I don’t know why Democrats are unable to think outside the box and propose a ticket like an electable centrist (in Democratic terms) Black Man and Peter Aguilar. Why are the usual names always brought up, the overwhelming majority of whom are still engaging in Democrats’ gaslighting campaign.