I don’t see any contradiction in disliking Hamas terrorists but having sympathy for the Palestinians and disliking the Netanyahu government and feeling sympathy for the 1200 murdered Israelis. Is there any difference in liking the Biden admin for many policies but disliking the funding for Israel’s continued bombings of civilians? I can hold multiple feelings on things . It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.
While there is certainly a cadre of young people who just discovered there is violence and injustice in the Middle East…I think Nancy Pelosi is right to think Putin’s provocateurs are at work on the Internet…when you get called ‘cool with genocide’ the same way ten times by the same kind of people, one gets suspicious.
I was an avid TYT listener for more than 15 years, but just dropped all support, subscriptions, and listens after 10/7, when they decided to go all in on tanking the Biden administration.
It’s funny I have a friend who used to send me TYT and Rogan YouTube’s long before I had any idea who either of them were, and even though I didn’t fully get Cenk’s message (in part because I found his presentation so dull which I believe was intentional) I intensely disliked both which is also interesting because ostensibly they’re on opposite sides of the political divide. (I think they’re really on the same side, tearing things down and taking advantage of the ensuing chaos).
Im a working class person who has always been on the far left and at same time pragmatic because I’m working class and I really need concrete action, not just empty promises. I started serious turning against the TYT left because I realized these people really don’t give a shit about people like me and the people I’m around nor do many if not most of their followers. it’s just about complaining about their perceived marginality and grifting.
I’ve known a lot of New Leftists IRL and engaged with countless ones online. I think some like you genuinely care (like I did and still do) but most of the time when I’ve asked what they’re going to do and how I’ve gotten vicious responses back and no sympathy. I like to say they’re Koch brothers in M4A clothing.
These days I’m all about legislation that is passed and how it affects our lives. Everything else is noise, grift, fashion, and cool kid cred. The Biden administration and Democrats have done miraculous things with bills and laws in 3.5 years and should be judged accordingly. I’m a normie liberal now and totally fine with it.
People like Cenk are really primarily interested in getting money/attention/power for themselves and they really don’t care about the groups or policies they claim to care about. They remind me of those TV preachers using the word of god into getting believers to give them money.
Yeah, it’s pretty obvious to me now that the principles he was about were nebulous and shifting, along with the money flows and delicate audience shifts
I would say it’s suspicious. He was the golden boy/“next Hunter S. Thompson”. Now that he’s calling out free speech censorship perpetrated by the government which is currently run by democrats, all of the sudden…he sux? Since when does advocating for the first amendment and calling out bad policy make one a “shock jock”? Oh…since it now goes against the official narrative of “the Party”. I think Matt’s just calling out bad government and bad politicians, but it just so happens that a lot of those involved are democrats. If there is a change in power in the upcoming elections, I fully expect him to attack more republicans. Those in power.
And again…the original post is claiming the opposite of what’s in one of the articles to which it links…and blatantly calling Matt the liar.
It’s cool if you don’t like Matt. I sincerely don’t care, and I don’t agree with everything he writes, but you can’t just say he’s lying about something and then link to an article that proves he’s not lying. Did Ben just link any article he found and assume people wouldn’t read them?
Nah - if you understood what I wrote, you would see. I don’t care if you don’t like someone, but you can’t call someone out with false accusations. That’s the gist.
You sure are trolling with a long line, huh? OP was April…and here you are in almost December.
I don’t understand why you’re accusing anyone of lying. The poll you linked in your article clearly shows that those polled are opposed to aiding Israel. Only 36% of those polled are in favor of aiding Israel. It’s literally in the article you linked!
And the poll you linked about the surveillance bill only gives the “key takeaways”. None of the questions asked were listed. The article doesn’t even indicate whom was asked. AND it shows that only 55% are in favor of the bill! Again…what were the survey questions and where did the polling take place?! College campus? Gun show? New York City street? I’ve been on a college campus and happily answered survey questions. One thing I’ve noticed, the pollsters always ask “Do you support the XYZ bill that the Democrats are proposing?” Or, “Are you in favor of Proposition ZYX that the Republicans put forth?” They always include what each party thinks about the bill. This is purposeful. The same thing happens at the gun shows I’ve attended.
So, you’re obviously misrepresenting one of articles you linked. One of the articles you linked has very little information.
But…Matt’s lying.
Why is everyone piling on Matt all of the sudden? The timing and context seem to be a little more than suspicious.
Every American should be against the surveillance bill! It’s unconstitutional! It always was! I believe if more Americans knew what it really means…you would have something more like 97% against.
Taibbi presumably is making a very good living doing his schtick. Also bear in mind corruption doesn’t have to be about money, corruption can be about a lot of things and things like the Twitter files have seriously elevated his profile.
A big part of MAGA is grifting. See Trump or Santos or any number of MAGA grifters. MAGA isn’t about policy or even ideology. Taibbi is at this point MAGA adjacent if not MAGA.
He’s not even close to MAGA adjacent. That’s such a lazy comment to make and indicative of someone who has not followed his work. He’s a Democrat that has never voted for Trump. Since when has making money been code for grift? So anyone who makes a salary, and rather large ones, in the mainstream would be a grifter? FOX, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, all filter their content through an ideological lens and certainly do not walk back false stories……your issue with Matt is you don’t like the conclusions he’s come to.
LOL, you had to tell me this while I was drinking milk, and I wound up laughing so hard I wound up spewing milk all over my kitchen table. Seriously, we’re both adults here, you can admit it, you just sent this lazy, stupid comment to me for shits and giggles. You’re clearly too intelligent to really believe this.
There is absolutely nothing to this comment by you. It’s incredibly lazy and stupid at the same time. There is zero evidence at this point that Matt “Sexual Assaulter” Taibbi is a Democract or that he voted for Biden. I would also point out lazy person I said he’s either MAGA or MAGA adjacent at this point, and MAGA adjacent means he may or may not support Trump but he’s clearly allied with the MAGAs in the sense of doing what he can for them. The Twitter files which was a giant turd fest of lies and slanted stories designed to help ingratiate himself with Musk and the MAGAs is a very good example of this.
Great! So you tell me you’re cool with the Transcarpathians being forced to learn Russian irregular verbs! You know there are many instances in American history that I could pick and choose from that would prove our hands are as bloody as Putin, which is why we should sit home sucking our thumbs while the Ukrainians welcome their liberators! Plus I have concerns about vaccines! Concerning concerns! Do you not see the furrows of worry in my forehead?
The quote from Elica Le Bon really resonated with me. The (to me) obvious truth of it makes my reaction to the vast majority of us who seem compelled to take sides even more disheartened.
Indeed, I’d argue it’s a form of Islamaphobia to put all the blame on Israel (and by extension, Jews generally), as it denies the Muslim countries (and Muslims generally) agency and intentionality — since, y’know (satirical, unfortunate stereotype alert), they’re barbarian camel jockeys and rug merchants, no one expects them to act “civilized”. 🤔😉😊
I don’t see any contradiction in disliking Hamas terrorists but having sympathy for the Palestinians and disliking the Netanyahu government and feeling sympathy for the 1200 murdered Israelis. Is there any difference in liking the Biden admin for many policies but disliking the funding for Israel’s continued bombings of civilians? I can hold multiple feelings on things . It doesn’t have to be all or nothing.
While there is certainly a cadre of young people who just discovered there is violence and injustice in the Middle East…I think Nancy Pelosi is right to think Putin’s provocateurs are at work on the Internet…when you get called ‘cool with genocide’ the same way ten times by the same kind of people, one gets suspicious.
Wow Cenk has officially lost it
Did Cenk ever have it?
I was an avid TYT listener for more than 15 years, but just dropped all support, subscriptions, and listens after 10/7, when they decided to go all in on tanking the Biden administration.
It’s funny I have a friend who used to send me TYT and Rogan YouTube’s long before I had any idea who either of them were, and even though I didn’t fully get Cenk’s message (in part because I found his presentation so dull which I believe was intentional) I intensely disliked both which is also interesting because ostensibly they’re on opposite sides of the political divide. (I think they’re really on the same side, tearing things down and taking advantage of the ensuing chaos).
Im a working class person who has always been on the far left and at same time pragmatic because I’m working class and I really need concrete action, not just empty promises. I started serious turning against the TYT left because I realized these people really don’t give a shit about people like me and the people I’m around nor do many if not most of their followers. it’s just about complaining about their perceived marginality and grifting.
I’ve known a lot of New Leftists IRL and engaged with countless ones online. I think some like you genuinely care (like I did and still do) but most of the time when I’ve asked what they’re going to do and how I’ve gotten vicious responses back and no sympathy. I like to say they’re Koch brothers in M4A clothing.
These days I’m all about legislation that is passed and how it affects our lives. Everything else is noise, grift, fashion, and cool kid cred. The Biden administration and Democrats have done miraculous things with bills and laws in 3.5 years and should be judged accordingly. I’m a normie liberal now and totally fine with it.
The young people calling Biden a fascist will be facepalming themselves for their naievite in ten years
That’s exactly where I am. I want to know what you can do, if you can’t it’s just so many empty promises.
People like Cenk are really primarily interested in getting money/attention/power for themselves and they really don’t care about the groups or policies they claim to care about. They remind me of those TV preachers using the word of god into getting believers to give them money.
Yeah, it’s pretty obvious to me now that the principles he was about were nebulous and shifting, along with the money flows and delicate audience shifts
I would say it’s suspicious. He was the golden boy/“next Hunter S. Thompson”. Now that he’s calling out free speech censorship perpetrated by the government which is currently run by democrats, all of the sudden…he sux? Since when does advocating for the first amendment and calling out bad policy make one a “shock jock”? Oh…since it now goes against the official narrative of “the Party”. I think Matt’s just calling out bad government and bad politicians, but it just so happens that a lot of those involved are democrats. If there is a change in power in the upcoming elections, I fully expect him to attack more republicans. Those in power.
And again…the original post is claiming the opposite of what’s in one of the articles to which it links…and blatantly calling Matt the liar.
It’s cool if you don’t like Matt. I sincerely don’t care, and I don’t agree with everything he writes, but you can’t just say he’s lying about something and then link to an article that proves he’s not lying. Did Ben just link any article he found and assume people wouldn’t read them?
“I sincerely don’t care.”
Riiight. So much that you wrote three paragraphs to show how much you don’t care. 🙄
Nah - if you understood what I wrote, you would see. I don’t care if you don’t like someone, but you can’t call someone out with false accusations. That’s the gist.
You sure are trolling with a long line, huh? OP was April…and here you are in almost December.
What was false? And why do you think there’s a time limit?
Yeah, you are going to come at someone that hard, you better bring receipts.
I don’t understand why you’re accusing anyone of lying. The poll you linked in your article clearly shows that those polled are opposed to aiding Israel. Only 36% of those polled are in favor of aiding Israel. It’s literally in the article you linked!
And the poll you linked about the surveillance bill only gives the “key takeaways”. None of the questions asked were listed. The article doesn’t even indicate whom was asked. AND it shows that only 55% are in favor of the bill! Again…what were the survey questions and where did the polling take place?! College campus? Gun show? New York City street? I’ve been on a college campus and happily answered survey questions. One thing I’ve noticed, the pollsters always ask “Do you support the XYZ bill that the Democrats are proposing?” Or, “Are you in favor of Proposition ZYX that the Republicans put forth?” They always include what each party thinks about the bill. This is purposeful. The same thing happens at the gun shows I’ve attended.
So, you’re obviously misrepresenting one of articles you linked. One of the articles you linked has very little information.
But…Matt’s lying.
Why is everyone piling on Matt all of the sudden? The timing and context seem to be a little more than suspicious.
Every American should be against the surveillance bill! It’s unconstitutional! It always was! I believe if more Americans knew what it really means…you would have something more like 97% against.
How are there people who believe this stuff?
>"Biden is one of the least corrupt politicians"
>"The government never censored social media"
>"Islamic extremism has nothing to do with anti-colonialism".
Utterly divorced from reality.
People who live in a reality world and aren’t batshit crazy and/of chaos climbers.
2016 wants its comment back.
What ‘ideology’ exactly is Matt Taibbi promoting?
The ideology of grifting and attention seeking.
That’s all you’ve got? Grifting? Well done you.
Taibbi presumably is making a very good living doing his schtick. Also bear in mind corruption doesn’t have to be about money, corruption can be about a lot of things and things like the Twitter files have seriously elevated his profile.
A big part of MAGA is grifting. See Trump or Santos or any number of MAGA grifters. MAGA isn’t about policy or even ideology. Taibbi is at this point MAGA adjacent if not MAGA.
He’s not even close to MAGA adjacent. That’s such a lazy comment to make and indicative of someone who has not followed his work. He’s a Democrat that has never voted for Trump. Since when has making money been code for grift? So anyone who makes a salary, and rather large ones, in the mainstream would be a grifter? FOX, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, all filter their content through an ideological lens and certainly do not walk back false stories……your issue with Matt is you don’t like the conclusions he’s come to.
He’s the biggest Musk simp out there and he’s all in on tanking the Biden administration. He’s a rotten creep, doing Russian talking points.
Exactly. If he pretends to be a progressive still it’s just part of his schtick in the same way gabbard or Greenwald did
LOL, you had to tell me this while I was drinking milk, and I wound up laughing so hard I wound up spewing milk all over my kitchen table. Seriously, we’re both adults here, you can admit it, you just sent this lazy, stupid comment to me for shits and giggles. You’re clearly too intelligent to really believe this.
There is absolutely nothing to this comment by you. It’s incredibly lazy and stupid at the same time. There is zero evidence at this point that Matt “Sexual Assaulter” Taibbi is a Democract or that he voted for Biden. I would also point out lazy person I said he’s either MAGA or MAGA adjacent at this point, and MAGA adjacent means he may or may not support Trump but he’s clearly allied with the MAGAs in the sense of doing what he can for them. The Twitter files which was a giant turd fest of lies and slanted stories designed to help ingratiate himself with Musk and the MAGAs is a very good example of this.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbc-host-mehdi-hasan-makes-matt-taibbi-squirm-over-his-twitter-files-errors
And he ends with a link to the Daily Besst and fucking Medhi Hassan. Dude stop drinking the milk
Tim Pool at this point’s leftism is pretty much that he dresses like a leftist circa 2013. They’re all grifters and attention seeker.
Tankie ism
Great! So you tell me you’re cool with the Transcarpathians being forced to learn Russian irregular verbs! You know there are many instances in American history that I could pick and choose from that would prove our hands are as bloody as Putin, which is why we should sit home sucking our thumbs while the Ukrainians welcome their liberators! Plus I have concerns about vaccines! Concerning concerns! Do you not see the furrows of worry in my forehead?
LOL
Taibbi seems to me to be more than contrarian.
Not lost on me the Russian authorities monitor journalists and Taibbi was up to jo good for years in Moscow
Hahaha! You are just full of assumptions aren't you? Anyone who disagrees with you or takes your vitriol to task must be dehumanized. Typical.
“If Uygur and The Young Turks turn their already cynical audience of alt contrarians into JFK Jr. voters”
Typo.
The quote from Elica Le Bon really resonated with me. The (to me) obvious truth of it makes my reaction to the vast majority of us who seem compelled to take sides even more disheartened.
Indeed, I’d argue it’s a form of Islamaphobia to put all the blame on Israel (and by extension, Jews generally), as it denies the Muslim countries (and Muslims generally) agency and intentionality — since, y’know (satirical, unfortunate stereotype alert), they’re barbarian camel jockeys and rug merchants, no one expects them to act “civilized”. 🤔😉😊
Your commentary is not worth Matt Taibbi's spit.
Please do not kick your dog when Biden wins in a landslide
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