I agree, that would be absolutely ridiculous. It’s unfortunate that Trump is a narcissistic maniac with a fragile ego; but that doesn’t mean that Zelenskyy should bow down to him. Even if Zelenskyy showed more deference and allowed Trump‘s lies to go uncorrected, Trump would’ve still attempted to humiliate him because that is what Trump does. That’s all he knows how to do because of his own fragile masculinity. The Republican Party has fed and nurtured this fragile masculinity for 10 years now, and that’s why we are where we are today. It needs to stop. President Zelenskyy did the right thing in speaking truth to power.
As for Zelenskyy, I agree with Cheryl -- apologizing, kissing the ring, and bending over will accomplish nothing for Ukraine. Trump is doing Putin's bidding and nothing's going to alter that course. Thanks to the liberties afforded Trump by a do-Nothing Congress and SCOTUS, Trump doesn't even need to "sell it" to the American people. He's beyond all that, and nothing short of a silver bullet, steel blade, or clogged artery will ever stop him -- and to clarify, I never advocate for violence -- this is merely a comment on how dictatorships typically end (Hitler, Hussein, Jong Il, etc.) versus how democratic leaders typically lose power (they're voted out, term limits, or natural causes -- Lincoln excepted).
I agree. I implied as much on another media site and was suspended on grounds of violent comments or something like that, so I’m probably to careful now about what should befall the president in order to save our democracy and maybe the free world and put a stop to the first ever POTUS to chum it up with a Russian dictator. How many realize that by trumps stealing of secret files when being forced from the White House in 2021 that he hastily piled up in a bathroom of all places were taken to pass on to Puke-in? Now that he’s back in the White House he might give Putin access to secret files that show the positions of our nuclear subs and other top secret info that will be very dangerous in Putins hands and Putin knows how to get Trump to play ball. Trump is so eager to please Putin that he’s doing it openly and has alighted the U. S. With Russia and Iran on important issues. Trump is straight up a Traitor. It shouldn’t be long before he can be charged with treason against the United States. It’s not to far of a stretch to believe he’s been working as a Russian asset for years if you go back to the beginning of his political career that might not have happened without Putins influence. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist and maybe I’ve read to many true spy novels but there have been many high ranking people found out as being Russian spy’s but okay none as high as Trump but also none as nervy and with the “I don’t care what you think, I’m right” belief as Trump. He’s become more and more revealing of his true agenda. In the meeting with Zelensky Trump stated that “he and Putin have been through a lot together” like Putin would give a damn what was said or thought about him. Trump talks about him as if they’re old war buddy’s and we’re in the trenches together. I believe it’s a real possibility. Everything he says referring to Putin is filled with admiration and never even a hint of the animosity that other leaders have for Putin. Time I hope will tell but sooner rather than later before too much damage has been done
I disagree with you. To President Zelenskyy never ever publicly apologize to President Trump. You would be selling yourself and your country out. Trump and Vance owe you an apology.
Zelensky was not the one making mistakes. He was the only one I. The room telling the truth. Kissing orange ass may seem helpful to some but it is really dangerous.
I agree but he stated he’s ready to make a deal with Trump although I believe Trump planned the entire shit show in front of the press to have an excuse to call off any dealing as per Putins instructions
I have to disagree. Zelenskyy is trying to defend an attack from one dictator there's no reason he should capitulate to another one. If he does, it won't end there. Donnie promised to end the war on day one. He knows he needs Zelenskyy to buckle to him the way Donnie buckled to Putin. Zelenskyy isn't that weak, Donnie is, and now he looks like the infant amateur he is. No...he should not give in to Donnie...at all. For the record, Zelenskyy didn't sign any agreement with the Trump Administration.
Also, if, as Donnie says "the attack never would have happened if he were in office" then why is Russia still in Ukraine now that he's in office? We know why. Why isn't the press asking this question? We know why.
Brawling match? AYFKM? One sided bullying match. Zelensky couldn’t get a word in. He spoke truth. The others-unworthy of naming-gaslighted. I had to walk a way after only a few minutes. Abusive. Staged for Putin and his reality TV loving base.
In your mind Ben, was there any scenario where the outcome of Zelenskyy's meeting with trump could have been different? It felt to me that it was pre-determined, by trump, in order to further Putin's goals.
Hey Ben, maybe if you'd received as many vicious death and rape threats that Rowling has (many thousands), you might not be so inclined to "be kind" to those hurling them.
Meanwhile the Democrats in the Senate all just voted against S9, the Protect Women and Girls in Sports Act, despite the fact that 67% of Democat voters (and 79% of voters overall) approve of it, per NYT polling.
Thus proving that the Democrats in office do not believe in "democracy" (rule by the common people) any more than the Republicans do.
I want men and boys out of women's and girls' sports, as do 67% of my fellow Democrats.
And, just be absolutely clear, so-called "trans women" are men, and so-called "trans girls" are boys. Furthermore, sex is easily determined with a simple cheeck-swab test, no "genital inspections" are needed: multiple Democrats lied about this during debate in the House.
I think a lot of the time there are two very common levels of anti-trans people:
1. People who are a bit uncomfortable with trans issues or unsure about it. They don't want to be mean but they don't really get it. They probably don't want trans women in women-only spaces like pro sports or changing rooms, but it doesn't really occupy a lot of their time or priorities. They don't really know that much about it so they can probably be persuaded to change their stances on it, at least to some degree.
2. People who really hate the entire thing and are obsessed about it. They are constantly deliberately cruel to trans people, often making a point of referring to them by the gender they don't identify with or by a name they no longer want to use, because they know it is offensive to them. They seek to portray trans women in particular as dangerous men whose primary motivation for transitioning is to harm women and children, and that they're trying to effectively kidnap children and force or trick them into to having sex change surgeries. At best they might concern troll trans people as inherently mentally ill and needing to be set straight instead of allowed to transition. Often (but not always) they may have previously been known to be fairly liberal, but their liberal stances now takes a backseat and they will readily align with conventionally right wing figures over left ones in the name of fighting the trans menace.
Almost everyone in group 2 tends to try to disguise themselves as group 1, and a lot of good-faith observers like to give the benefit of the doubt to people like Rowling and assume they're group 1. I know I did for a long time but at some stage you have to just concede that this isn't a concerned person just trying to ask questions, it's a zealot who is consumed by it.
I used to be in group 1, and then I asked myself if I could see myself telling a teenaged trans kid that they were not going to be allowed to play a sport, or really to exist in a public space, as they chose to identify. And I couldn't see myself ever doing that.
That ended the phase of my moral dilemma where I considered this scenario to be a problem that requires remedy. I am resolved to let the kids be who they want to be and worry about something less avoidable, like nanoplastics.
Rowling smart, funny feminist, so OF COURSE she's the villain! Trans doesn't actually exist, biology>"identity". Archeologists won't know or care who lived as trans, our pelvises are different, it will be end of Planet of the Apes all over again.
Much like the way many homophobic and transphobic people are eventually cast in related sex scandals with the objects of their public derision and private desire, let's not forget a few facts about Joanne Kathleen Rowling. Her wealth comes from a gender-agonistic pen name, and she also writes under the name Robert Galbraith. If I had to guess, Rowling is furious she was not born a man and never had the courage to transition once modern medicine and culture made it possible. The heroes in her books are primarily male so one can assume they are living out her wildest fantasies.
💩 Feminist wife, mother of 3 & billionaire multimedia global empire not trying to be a man, speaking of projecting. Her pen names are the product of sexism in publishing & @ large, HP about a BOY & his brilliant female friend & her adult series feaatures female investigator. Rowling's public image was pristine until she chose to push back on TWAW (they're not), she's the celebrity who taught me about the misogyny of RTA, #terfisaslur & cis ideology. Also, she's damned funny, which I never knew & appreciate now more than ever, so take your stink elsewhere, 🐌🤡.
Someone once said that you should never argue with crazy people (Trance). I would add that you should never try to negotiate with them since narcissists do not negotiate. Neither should you apologize to them since they are bullies. I believe that Zelensky has too much integrity and dignity to stoop to apologize. He is a leader, not a victim, so there is no need to apologize to narcissistic bullies, the Hillbilly Machiavellians.
Trans women are NOT women. They are biological males who want to be accepted by women in their legally safe protected spaces such as health and sports. J K Rowling is wealthy enough to withstand the torrents of abuse from this socially contagious cult which has given rocket boosters to the far right. My subscription pays for a place in this debate but after being told that Zelenski made a 'mistake' in his opening remarks to Trump and therefor somehow contributed to the bullying debacle that followed makes me wonder if it's worth it.
No way should he apologize to Trump
I agree, that would be absolutely ridiculous. It’s unfortunate that Trump is a narcissistic maniac with a fragile ego; but that doesn’t mean that Zelenskyy should bow down to him. Even if Zelenskyy showed more deference and allowed Trump‘s lies to go uncorrected, Trump would’ve still attempted to humiliate him because that is what Trump does. That’s all he knows how to do because of his own fragile masculinity. The Republican Party has fed and nurtured this fragile masculinity for 10 years now, and that’s why we are where we are today. It needs to stop. President Zelenskyy did the right thing in speaking truth to power.
Zelensky made mistakes too???? Stop this bullshit right now.
That’s pretty much what I’m talking about. Who else would kiss up to Putin as Trump has for years not just recently.
As for Zelenskyy, I agree with Cheryl -- apologizing, kissing the ring, and bending over will accomplish nothing for Ukraine. Trump is doing Putin's bidding and nothing's going to alter that course. Thanks to the liberties afforded Trump by a do-Nothing Congress and SCOTUS, Trump doesn't even need to "sell it" to the American people. He's beyond all that, and nothing short of a silver bullet, steel blade, or clogged artery will ever stop him -- and to clarify, I never advocate for violence -- this is merely a comment on how dictatorships typically end (Hitler, Hussein, Jong Il, etc.) versus how democratic leaders typically lose power (they're voted out, term limits, or natural causes -- Lincoln excepted).
I agree. I implied as much on another media site and was suspended on grounds of violent comments or something like that, so I’m probably to careful now about what should befall the president in order to save our democracy and maybe the free world and put a stop to the first ever POTUS to chum it up with a Russian dictator. How many realize that by trumps stealing of secret files when being forced from the White House in 2021 that he hastily piled up in a bathroom of all places were taken to pass on to Puke-in? Now that he’s back in the White House he might give Putin access to secret files that show the positions of our nuclear subs and other top secret info that will be very dangerous in Putins hands and Putin knows how to get Trump to play ball. Trump is so eager to please Putin that he’s doing it openly and has alighted the U. S. With Russia and Iran on important issues. Trump is straight up a Traitor. It shouldn’t be long before he can be charged with treason against the United States. It’s not to far of a stretch to believe he’s been working as a Russian asset for years if you go back to the beginning of his political career that might not have happened without Putins influence. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist and maybe I’ve read to many true spy novels but there have been many high ranking people found out as being Russian spy’s but okay none as high as Trump but also none as nervy and with the “I don’t care what you think, I’m right” belief as Trump. He’s become more and more revealing of his true agenda. In the meeting with Zelensky Trump stated that “he and Putin have been through a lot together” like Putin would give a damn what was said or thought about him. Trump talks about him as if they’re old war buddy’s and we’re in the trenches together. I believe it’s a real possibility. Everything he says referring to Putin is filled with admiration and never even a hint of the animosity that other leaders have for Putin. Time I hope will tell but sooner rather than later before too much damage has been done
I disagree with you. To President Zelenskyy never ever publicly apologize to President Trump. You would be selling yourself and your country out. Trump and Vance owe you an apology.
Zelensky was not the one making mistakes. He was the only one I. The room telling the truth. Kissing orange ass may seem helpful to some but it is really dangerous.
I agree but he stated he’s ready to make a deal with Trump although I believe Trump planned the entire shit show in front of the press to have an excuse to call off any dealing as per Putins instructions
I have to disagree. Zelenskyy is trying to defend an attack from one dictator there's no reason he should capitulate to another one. If he does, it won't end there. Donnie promised to end the war on day one. He knows he needs Zelenskyy to buckle to him the way Donnie buckled to Putin. Zelenskyy isn't that weak, Donnie is, and now he looks like the infant amateur he is. No...he should not give in to Donnie...at all. For the record, Zelenskyy didn't sign any agreement with the Trump Administration.
Also, if, as Donnie says "the attack never would have happened if he were in office" then why is Russia still in Ukraine now that he's in office? We know why. Why isn't the press asking this question? We know why.
Brawling match? AYFKM? One sided bullying match. Zelensky couldn’t get a word in. He spoke truth. The others-unworthy of naming-gaslighted. I had to walk a way after only a few minutes. Abusive. Staged for Putin and his reality TV loving base.
In your mind Ben, was there any scenario where the outcome of Zelenskyy's meeting with trump could have been different? It felt to me that it was pre-determined, by trump, in order to further Putin's goals.
Hey Ben, maybe if you'd received as many vicious death and rape threats that Rowling has (many thousands), you might not be so inclined to "be kind" to those hurling them.
Meanwhile the Democrats in the Senate all just voted against S9, the Protect Women and Girls in Sports Act, despite the fact that 67% of Democat voters (and 79% of voters overall) approve of it, per NYT polling.
Thus proving that the Democrats in office do not believe in "democracy" (rule by the common people) any more than the Republicans do.
If only every elected official just referred to NYT polls in order to direct their votes...
And that's a fucked up and cruel law anyway.
I want men and boys out of women's and girls' sports, as do 67% of my fellow Democrats.
And, just be absolutely clear, so-called "trans women" are men, and so-called "trans girls" are boys. Furthermore, sex is easily determined with a simple cheeck-swab test, no "genital inspections" are needed: multiple Democrats lied about this during debate in the House.
To be absolutely clear as well, this is not a real problem and people who think it is are bigots.
I think a lot of the time there are two very common levels of anti-trans people:
1. People who are a bit uncomfortable with trans issues or unsure about it. They don't want to be mean but they don't really get it. They probably don't want trans women in women-only spaces like pro sports or changing rooms, but it doesn't really occupy a lot of their time or priorities. They don't really know that much about it so they can probably be persuaded to change their stances on it, at least to some degree.
2. People who really hate the entire thing and are obsessed about it. They are constantly deliberately cruel to trans people, often making a point of referring to them by the gender they don't identify with or by a name they no longer want to use, because they know it is offensive to them. They seek to portray trans women in particular as dangerous men whose primary motivation for transitioning is to harm women and children, and that they're trying to effectively kidnap children and force or trick them into to having sex change surgeries. At best they might concern troll trans people as inherently mentally ill and needing to be set straight instead of allowed to transition. Often (but not always) they may have previously been known to be fairly liberal, but their liberal stances now takes a backseat and they will readily align with conventionally right wing figures over left ones in the name of fighting the trans menace.
Almost everyone in group 2 tends to try to disguise themselves as group 1, and a lot of good-faith observers like to give the benefit of the doubt to people like Rowling and assume they're group 1. I know I did for a long time but at some stage you have to just concede that this isn't a concerned person just trying to ask questions, it's a zealot who is consumed by it.
I used to be in group 1, and then I asked myself if I could see myself telling a teenaged trans kid that they were not going to be allowed to play a sport, or really to exist in a public space, as they chose to identify. And I couldn't see myself ever doing that.
That ended the phase of my moral dilemma where I considered this scenario to be a problem that requires remedy. I am resolved to let the kids be who they want to be and worry about something less avoidable, like nanoplastics.
Re the mafia ambush: there’s a whiff of “the Democrats made me vote for Trump” in blaming Zelenskyy, even in part, for the ambush. Please.
Rowling smart, funny feminist, so OF COURSE she's the villain! Trans doesn't actually exist, biology>"identity". Archeologists won't know or care who lived as trans, our pelvises are different, it will be end of Planet of the Apes all over again.
Much like the way many homophobic and transphobic people are eventually cast in related sex scandals with the objects of their public derision and private desire, let's not forget a few facts about Joanne Kathleen Rowling. Her wealth comes from a gender-agonistic pen name, and she also writes under the name Robert Galbraith. If I had to guess, Rowling is furious she was not born a man and never had the courage to transition once modern medicine and culture made it possible. The heroes in her books are primarily male so one can assume they are living out her wildest fantasies.
💩 Feminist wife, mother of 3 & billionaire multimedia global empire not trying to be a man, speaking of projecting. Her pen names are the product of sexism in publishing & @ large, HP about a BOY & his brilliant female friend & her adult series feaatures female investigator. Rowling's public image was pristine until she chose to push back on TWAW (they're not), she's the celebrity who taught me about the misogyny of RTA, #terfisaslur & cis ideology. Also, she's damned funny, which I never knew & appreciate now more than ever, so take your stink elsewhere, 🐌🤡.
Aaaannnndddd…Z capitulated. 24 hours later. Trump is trying to save Z’s country. He is on a cocaine fueled rush to end it.
Someone once said that you should never argue with crazy people (Trance). I would add that you should never try to negotiate with them since narcissists do not negotiate. Neither should you apologize to them since they are bullies. I believe that Zelensky has too much integrity and dignity to stoop to apologize. He is a leader, not a victim, so there is no need to apologize to narcissistic bullies, the Hillbilly Machiavellians.
Trans women are NOT women. They are biological males who want to be accepted by women in their legally safe protected spaces such as health and sports. J K Rowling is wealthy enough to withstand the torrents of abuse from this socially contagious cult which has given rocket boosters to the far right. My subscription pays for a place in this debate but after being told that Zelenski made a 'mistake' in his opening remarks to Trump and therefor somehow contributed to the bullying debacle that followed makes me wonder if it's worth it.