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I enjoyed listening to this, your last podcast. I can't believe it is your last, given the perilous time we are going to have under a second Dump administration. I still can't fathom why we are at this point where Dump should have been truly dumped so long ago and we still haven't gotten rid of him. What a commentary this says about our country's lack of principles and morality if it decides to vote back into office a convicted felon and adjudicated sexual abuser. And so much more! Twenty years ago or even less, this type of "political" candidate would have been rejected soundly by a majority of American voters, but not anymore. I agree with your whole thrust on Dump: I'm not watching any news, any inauguration spectacle on January 20, not reading any of his ridiculous tweets anymore if he decides to even do them this time, not watching any of his news conferences if he decides to even have them, just ignoring him as long as I could over these very interminable four years.

I hope to listen to both of you at some point in the New Year.

Have a very good holiday and Happy New Year to both of you if we can even send those type of wishes even, given the imminent collapse of democracy in 2025. Good luck to you, Justin, in your new professional pursuits. As well as to you, Ben.

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Thank you!

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