They will do it until forced not to. Not physically, but ofherwise. Which is why we need a combative nobel opposition and why I have always and solely wanted that in a D party. They are monsters and you need fighting heroes to banish them, not people who call Mitch, et. al reasonable despite all the proof otherwise. Either its a fool who says that or a fool that doesnt question why they said it. I want the Ds to fight back and for something. The only ones fighting arent the old centrists who have grown cozy in their abeyance. Its the dreaded, younger and less wealthy progressives. Have they been successful? No, and that is the fault of a Center Right D party that scoffs at change, at people fighting for anything, etc. We can.talk until we are blue in the face, back and forth, but it doesnt mean a damn if they cant be bothered to get it done.
My issue with you specifically Justin is that this is clear as day, but you and Chris here do everything not to state it, i.e. actually want anything different. At least thats my impression. And it becomes defeatest because of it. I harbor no ill will for you both despite the cantankerousness of our back and forths, but it just never seems like you guys are willing to at all criticize the Ds. And it is CONSTRUCTIVE with me, always. I want better, not just what my wishlist is, but something more than limp old folks going on vacation all the time. Thats the leadership. America deserves better and tney COULD do better. Thats all I have ever asked for: people fighting for us who dont feel like a protection racket (vote for us, cause its a shame what could happen to this place) or an entitled, frabkly mostly East Coast elite that seems completely disinterested in enacting lasting policies that will help.people. They (i cite Obama here) are more likely to try to sell us down the river with some "brave grand bargain" or whole/semi privitization effort than pass anything like Medicare. Seriously, ask yourself if they could pass Medicare today if it wasnt there. If your answer is.no, what does that say?
Friend, thats the most flippant response you can give and its EXACTLY what will make them lose and when they do, dont blame me. I wanted a better way. Its gonna be your fault. i take umbrage at your fickel response. Its demonstrable of both your absolute hubris and, frankly, lack of intellectual firmament. It wasnt personal before. You have with this insult made it so, Justin: its the response of a joker making fun of me.
Translation (following your sycophantic, Sophistic insult): They aint gonna do nothing and we are gonna blame you when they lose. You specifically seem simple, and I do mean simple because you refuse a debate of any sustance or different, reasonable and cited opinion. You are all one way, all loud opinion, luxuriating in an editor free zone. JUST(in). LIKE. TAIBBI AND GREENWALD.
A note: I said you all, but I want to seperate you out here specificly. I can disagree with Ben and hes amicable, respectful. Bob is busy...fine. But it is only you, with a paying customer no less, that is this much of a jerk, Justin, and for the life of me, I do not understand why unless this is a pr sidegig where you dont need the money because it sure is bad business to do this to people who pay for your insight. Its uniquely childish, as other editorial concerns would never do it. I would suggest you reconsider your line of work. You act more like a post guy then a poster. Its unprofessional. Its an attempt to show off how nasty you are without actually confronting and engaging.
In short, Justin Rosario, it is EXACTLY WHAT TRUMP DOES.
Remember, I was trying for rational debate. You Justin dru1g it down to here. And I am geninuely curious if you are even capable of formulating a coherent, adult response that is neither flippant nor insulting. The evidence youve given doesnt show it. Do you even understand that I am not some troll, but someone who is actually saying things trying to get a counterpoint more than the endless onesided invective from you? Again, are you just simple? Are your glasses so dim that you cant see that while the Rs are dragons and should be named as such, what I asking for are the Ds to act more like knights who are actually fighting back or is that you are on the side of the Dragons, not wanting any defense? The longee I live, the more I see you neutered(no better way to describe it) neo-liberal, often former R "centrists" as the softer side of the R horror show, all anger at them, but never anger enough to do a darn thing about it?
Do you have nothing but weak, non sequitorial invective? I'm calling you out. I want more. Can you give me anything constructively critical or are you just a smooth brained, uninspired hack attack dog.who thinks invective against possible allies is going to get you anything you claim to want?
I get cognitive dissonance when hearing people like Greg Locke. I know there are people like him, that sincerely believe they are true Christians even as they spout the most un-Christ-like things. Hell, I expect it from anyone who self-identifies as a Christian since everyone I've ever met that felt the need to declare it has been vilely un-Christian.
I do not doubt for a nanosecond that Locke and his ilk truly believe they are good people. But at the same time I still just can't wrap my head around how anyone can believe "Turn the other cheek" means "kill".
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(Minor note: "we will be well on our way from stage 3 to stage 4 of the 10 stages of genocide" links to a paper titled The Eight Stages of Genocide".)
They will do it until forced not to. Not physically, but ofherwise. Which is why we need a combative nobel opposition and why I have always and solely wanted that in a D party. They are monsters and you need fighting heroes to banish them, not people who call Mitch, et. al reasonable despite all the proof otherwise. Either its a fool who says that or a fool that doesnt question why they said it. I want the Ds to fight back and for something. The only ones fighting arent the old centrists who have grown cozy in their abeyance. Its the dreaded, younger and less wealthy progressives. Have they been successful? No, and that is the fault of a Center Right D party that scoffs at change, at people fighting for anything, etc. We can.talk until we are blue in the face, back and forth, but it doesnt mean a damn if they cant be bothered to get it done.
My issue with you specifically Justin is that this is clear as day, but you and Chris here do everything not to state it, i.e. actually want anything different. At least thats my impression. And it becomes defeatest because of it. I harbor no ill will for you both despite the cantankerousness of our back and forths, but it just never seems like you guys are willing to at all criticize the Ds. And it is CONSTRUCTIVE with me, always. I want better, not just what my wishlist is, but something more than limp old folks going on vacation all the time. Thats the leadership. America deserves better and tney COULD do better. Thats all I have ever asked for: people fighting for us who dont feel like a protection racket (vote for us, cause its a shame what could happen to this place) or an entitled, frabkly mostly East Coast elite that seems completely disinterested in enacting lasting policies that will help.people. They (i cite Obama here) are more likely to try to sell us down the river with some "brave grand bargain" or whole/semi privitization effort than pass anything like Medicare. Seriously, ask yourself if they could pass Medicare today if it wasnt there. If your answer is.no, what does that say?
Translation: "Republicans have no agency. Everything is the fault of Democrats."
Friend, thats the most flippant response you can give and its EXACTLY what will make them lose and when they do, dont blame me. I wanted a better way. Its gonna be your fault. i take umbrage at your fickel response. Its demonstrable of both your absolute hubris and, frankly, lack of intellectual firmament. It wasnt personal before. You have with this insult made it so, Justin: its the response of a joker making fun of me.
Translation (following your sycophantic, Sophistic insult): They aint gonna do nothing and we are gonna blame you when they lose. You specifically seem simple, and I do mean simple because you refuse a debate of any sustance or different, reasonable and cited opinion. You are all one way, all loud opinion, luxuriating in an editor free zone. JUST(in). LIKE. TAIBBI AND GREENWALD.
A note: I said you all, but I want to seperate you out here specificly. I can disagree with Ben and hes amicable, respectful. Bob is busy...fine. But it is only you, with a paying customer no less, that is this much of a jerk, Justin, and for the life of me, I do not understand why unless this is a pr sidegig where you dont need the money because it sure is bad business to do this to people who pay for your insight. Its uniquely childish, as other editorial concerns would never do it. I would suggest you reconsider your line of work. You act more like a post guy then a poster. Its unprofessional. Its an attempt to show off how nasty you are without actually confronting and engaging.
In short, Justin Rosario, it is EXACTLY WHAT TRUMP DOES.
Remember, I was trying for rational debate. You Justin dru1g it down to here. And I am geninuely curious if you are even capable of formulating a coherent, adult response that is neither flippant nor insulting. The evidence youve given doesnt show it. Do you even understand that I am not some troll, but someone who is actually saying things trying to get a counterpoint more than the endless onesided invective from you? Again, are you just simple? Are your glasses so dim that you cant see that while the Rs are dragons and should be named as such, what I asking for are the Ds to act more like knights who are actually fighting back or is that you are on the side of the Dragons, not wanting any defense? The longee I live, the more I see you neutered(no better way to describe it) neo-liberal, often former R "centrists" as the softer side of the R horror show, all anger at them, but never anger enough to do a darn thing about it?
Do you have nothing but weak, non sequitorial invective? I'm calling you out. I want more. Can you give me anything constructively critical or are you just a smooth brained, uninspired hack attack dog.who thinks invective against possible allies is going to get you anything you claim to want?
A hit dog will holler.
I get cognitive dissonance when hearing people like Greg Locke. I know there are people like him, that sincerely believe they are true Christians even as they spout the most un-Christ-like things. Hell, I expect it from anyone who self-identifies as a Christian since everyone I've ever met that felt the need to declare it has been vilely un-Christian.
I do not doubt for a nanosecond that Locke and his ilk truly believe they are good people. But at the same time I still just can't wrap my head around how anyone can believe "Turn the other cheek" means "kill".
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(Minor note: "we will be well on our way from stage 3 to stage 4 of the 10 stages of genocide" links to a paper titled The Eight Stages of Genocide".)
doh!
Y'know, you could fix that.
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