They will do it until forced not to. Not physically, but ofherwise. Which is why we need a combative nobel opposition and why I have always and solely wanted that in a D party. They are monsters and you need fighting heroes to banish them, not people who call Mitch, et. al reasonable despite all the proof otherwise. Either its a fool who says that or a fool that doesnt question why they said it. I want the Ds to fight back and for something. The only ones fighting arent the old centrists who have grown cozy in their abeyance. Its the dreaded, younger and less wealthy progressives. Have they been successful? No, and that is the fault of a Center Right D party that scoffs at change, at people fighting for anything, etc. We can.talk until we are blue in the face, back and forth, but it doesnt mean a damn if they cant be bothered to get it done.
My issue with you specifically Justin is that this is clear as day, but you and Chris here do everything not to state it, i.e. actually want anything different. At least thats my impression. And it becomes defeatest because of it. I harbor no ill will for you both despite the cantankerousness of our back and forths, but it just never seems like you guys are willing to at all criticize the Ds. And it is CONSTRUCTIVE with me, always. I want better, not just what my wishlist is, but something more than limp old folks going on vacation all the time. Thats the leadership. America deserves better and tney COULD do better. Thats all I have ever asked for: people fighting for us who dont feel like a protection racket (vote for us, cause its a shame what could happen to this place) or an entitled, frabkly mostly East Coast elite that seems completely disinterested in enacting lasting policies that will help.people. They (i cite Obama here) are more likely to try to sell us down the river with some "brave grand bargain" or whole/semi privitization effort than pass anything like Medicare. Seriously, ask yourself if they could pass Medicare today if it wasnt there. If your answer is.no, what does that say?
I get cognitive dissonance when hearing people like Greg Locke. I know there are people like him, that sincerely believe they are true Christians even as they spout the most un-Christ-like things. Hell, I expect it from anyone who self-identifies as a Christian since everyone I've ever met that felt the need to declare it has been vilely un-Christian.
I do not doubt for a nanosecond that Locke and his ilk truly believe they are good people. But at the same time I still just can't wrap my head around how anyone can believe "Turn the other cheek" means "kill".
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(Minor note: "we will be well on our way from stage 3 to stage 4 of the 10 stages of genocide" links to a paper titled The Eight Stages of Genocide".)
They will do it until forced not to. Not physically, but ofherwise. Which is why we need a combative nobel opposition and why I have always and solely wanted that in a D party. They are monsters and you need fighting heroes to banish them, not people who call Mitch, et. al reasonable despite all the proof otherwise. Either its a fool who says that or a fool that doesnt question why they said it. I want the Ds to fight back and for something. The only ones fighting arent the old centrists who have grown cozy in their abeyance. Its the dreaded, younger and less wealthy progressives. Have they been successful? No, and that is the fault of a Center Right D party that scoffs at change, at people fighting for anything, etc. We can.talk until we are blue in the face, back and forth, but it doesnt mean a damn if they cant be bothered to get it done.
My issue with you specifically Justin is that this is clear as day, but you and Chris here do everything not to state it, i.e. actually want anything different. At least thats my impression. And it becomes defeatest because of it. I harbor no ill will for you both despite the cantankerousness of our back and forths, but it just never seems like you guys are willing to at all criticize the Ds. And it is CONSTRUCTIVE with me, always. I want better, not just what my wishlist is, but something more than limp old folks going on vacation all the time. Thats the leadership. America deserves better and tney COULD do better. Thats all I have ever asked for: people fighting for us who dont feel like a protection racket (vote for us, cause its a shame what could happen to this place) or an entitled, frabkly mostly East Coast elite that seems completely disinterested in enacting lasting policies that will help.people. They (i cite Obama here) are more likely to try to sell us down the river with some "brave grand bargain" or whole/semi privitization effort than pass anything like Medicare. Seriously, ask yourself if they could pass Medicare today if it wasnt there. If your answer is.no, what does that say?
I get cognitive dissonance when hearing people like Greg Locke. I know there are people like him, that sincerely believe they are true Christians even as they spout the most un-Christ-like things. Hell, I expect it from anyone who self-identifies as a Christian since everyone I've ever met that felt the need to declare it has been vilely un-Christian.
I do not doubt for a nanosecond that Locke and his ilk truly believe they are good people. But at the same time I still just can't wrap my head around how anyone can believe "Turn the other cheek" means "kill".
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(Minor note: "we will be well on our way from stage 3 to stage 4 of the 10 stages of genocide" links to a paper titled The Eight Stages of Genocide".)