You guys keep calling these idiots far left. Thats a category error, or better put, a mischaracterization. They aren't far left, they are what you correctly stated in your roundtable: hipster, anti-Left. I break this down into two subsets: the nihilists/absurdists that, like its Dune, hooked on the insanity for money. They dont represent progressiveness. There are also overt communists, cheering on what believe will be the prophesized revolt of the workers. Just like with libertarian nuttiness, this will never happen, and they can retreat, no matter what, into bemoaning what could have been, the missed utopia. There are some here that are tolerable, as long as they are promoting something and its clear comedy like, say, Chapo. But there are many who have revealed themselves to be ok with suthortarianism if they think it leads to the promised land.
These people aren't progressives. They have revealed they don't believe in the system, and believe it to be beyond reform. Progressivism is sometimes called the far left. This is why this term, the far left, is so problematic to me. There are better words for them. These people are not of a kind with AOC, Bernie, or Omar. These later believe in systemic reform, not systemic destruction and replacement. The "baddies" here are much more like the former diseffected Trotskyites who became Neo Con. This moment has been revelatory. And revelation requires reidentification. So can you guys stop using that term Far Left. Call them what they really are: nihilistic Fash Friendlies.
There is one orher issue. I mention it not to destroy enthusiasm in the Ds like the motivated nihlists I mention it as a lover of my country, my home. The issue is reflected in your articles and your talking. It is the unspoken premise that the Ds are right. I think that thinking spawns two factors: you guys aren't hurting as bad as others are (an admitted guess) , and you believe the hype, not the record. I have yet to see anything critical of the Ds here. especially about whether they are acheiving their stated agenda. This is bad. Not because, as may be your fear, such criticism would fuel the insane right. Its bad because you fail to realize other peoples issues are valid, issues that need to be addressed. And thats a recipe for loss. Thats a recipe for endless griping about this or that reason, this or that or who blame (voter fraud is a key exception). Its, therefore, a recipe for grievence and stabbed-in-the back meraphors that make you feel good when you lose because your candidate/party has drifted so far away from what normal people want.
You blast the unfair failure of Bidens economic success to garner electoral recognition. My question is, how is the average voter experience this. What have you done for them? Things they can identify as on brand, that you can campaign on. If you dont have much, if all you can run on is aspirations that dont reach results (Damn that Manchin!) , you will lose because why should you win? What have you done for the common man, specifically, not generally. Nobody cares that infrastructure got done in so far as the common man doesnt know the Democrats did that. Still doesnt help them feed their family or make their life better.
So people will turn toward others because the results arent there. And no amount of scaremongering is going to motivate people. You need to win people over. Thats democracy.
Sadly, people tend to turn to fascism when they are suffering, and make no mistake, the current system has left many suffering by design. Ds can change that, have vision. But they have acted like the old center Rs for most of my life. I want that to change in time not to have us fall to fascism, because people will move to fascism because fascism makes the trains run on time. All kinds of horror comes with that, but the undenible fact is fascism often gets things done, as much as they terrorize and oppress. I could go on, but my question is: are you willing to autopsy the issues that will garner support? Will you advocate the Ds change to acheive success? Because it could still happen, but that has to happen. Real change for the people. Things that may go against the funders, that will be uncomfortable for the status quo while being being absolutely neccessary? Because it will do little to whine later. Unless your sole contribution is being a defense squad, eternal apologists, no better in this way than those southerners who yearn for their world that can never be again because America is different place and Americans are no longed antebellum minded?
I really cannot believe that people are STILL repeating the myth that Fascism "get the trains running on time." That BS has been debunked so hard there is really no excuse for still believing it. Just do a quick search on the Internet and you will easily find dozens of websites explaining how false the idea is.
I guess the idea is supposed to be that Fascism is "brutal but efficient," except the reality is that Fascism ISN'T efficient at anything BUT brutality.
Fascism is a universally corrupt system rife with corruption, graft, and cronyism. In fact, the system of Fascism is basically BASED on corruption and cronyism, and then using a minority group as scapegoat to assume the blame for all of the incompetent system's inherent and unavoidable failures. The way to gain more power in a Fascist system is NOT by displaying competence in your position, but instead is by showing unthinking loyalty to the ideology or to those higher in power, and by being skilled at shifting blame for your own failures onto others. Basically the same as in so many other forms of tyrannical and dictatorial power structures.
The only thing that Fascism DOES accomplish with any efficiency is terrorizing and destroying the minority groups it used as scapegoats, and eventually a Fascist system will devolve into nothing BUT running the system it set up to obliterate its scapegoats. Just look at Nazi Germany and the Holocaust to see how it all plays out; in the end, when the Nazis had basically lost the war and all the military, economic, and social structure of their country were crumbling around them, all due to the inherent corruption and incompetence of the Fascist system, the Nazis essentially gave up on trying to do anything else and just dedicated everything they had left to continuing the extermination of the Jews.
THAT is the only thing Fascism is ever able to "make run on time": DEATH.
Do you think I am advocating for fascism? I'm a Jew. I know well its dangers. I do not. The thing is that some people reflexively turn to unitary control, which is what fascism is, in times when they feel things are breaking down and the system isnt responding their needs. Fascism of course doesnt work, which is why the system needs to be reformed to work. And our system has broken down for many people because its shifted too far to the right and the wealthy. Our left most politicians, in this nations history and in many other places, would be considered center. This is why that term is meaningless here.
What I wrote wss a warning based on history. If you wish to argue with history. I will leave that to you. Empassioned statements based off smaller part of someones take when that take is not trolling, as mine arent, simply demonstrates your passionate objection to what you think I said rather than what I said. That lack of contextual intercommunication is, thus, simply going off rather than an attempt to engage in solid back and forth. My statements here are ALWAYS just that, friend. I have found that the responses I have received are anything but, being more suited for Reddit than any other discussion board/comment section. I am happy to be disagreed with and will engage in happy debate, including shifting my views, but rabidity is nothing I can respond to.
You guys keep calling these idiots far left. Thats a category error, or better put, a mischaracterization. They aren't far left, they are what you correctly stated in your roundtable: hipster, anti-Left. I break this down into two subsets: the nihilists/absurdists that, like its Dune, hooked on the insanity for money. They dont represent progressiveness. There are also overt communists, cheering on what believe will be the prophesized revolt of the workers. Just like with libertarian nuttiness, this will never happen, and they can retreat, no matter what, into bemoaning what could have been, the missed utopia. There are some here that are tolerable, as long as they are promoting something and its clear comedy like, say, Chapo. But there are many who have revealed themselves to be ok with suthortarianism if they think it leads to the promised land.
These people aren't progressives. They have revealed they don't believe in the system, and believe it to be beyond reform. Progressivism is sometimes called the far left. This is why this term, the far left, is so problematic to me. There are better words for them. These people are not of a kind with AOC, Bernie, or Omar. These later believe in systemic reform, not systemic destruction and replacement. The "baddies" here are much more like the former diseffected Trotskyites who became Neo Con. This moment has been revelatory. And revelation requires reidentification. So can you guys stop using that term Far Left. Call them what they really are: nihilistic Fash Friendlies.
There is one orher issue. I mention it not to destroy enthusiasm in the Ds like the motivated nihlists I mention it as a lover of my country, my home. The issue is reflected in your articles and your talking. It is the unspoken premise that the Ds are right. I think that thinking spawns two factors: you guys aren't hurting as bad as others are (an admitted guess) , and you believe the hype, not the record. I have yet to see anything critical of the Ds here. especially about whether they are acheiving their stated agenda. This is bad. Not because, as may be your fear, such criticism would fuel the insane right. Its bad because you fail to realize other peoples issues are valid, issues that need to be addressed. And thats a recipe for loss. Thats a recipe for endless griping about this or that reason, this or that or who blame (voter fraud is a key exception). Its, therefore, a recipe for grievence and stabbed-in-the back meraphors that make you feel good when you lose because your candidate/party has drifted so far away from what normal people want.
You blast the unfair failure of Bidens economic success to garner electoral recognition. My question is, how is the average voter experience this. What have you done for them? Things they can identify as on brand, that you can campaign on. If you dont have much, if all you can run on is aspirations that dont reach results (Damn that Manchin!) , you will lose because why should you win? What have you done for the common man, specifically, not generally. Nobody cares that infrastructure got done in so far as the common man doesnt know the Democrats did that. Still doesnt help them feed their family or make their life better.
So people will turn toward others because the results arent there. And no amount of scaremongering is going to motivate people. You need to win people over. Thats democracy.
Sadly, people tend to turn to fascism when they are suffering, and make no mistake, the current system has left many suffering by design. Ds can change that, have vision. But they have acted like the old center Rs for most of my life. I want that to change in time not to have us fall to fascism, because people will move to fascism because fascism makes the trains run on time. All kinds of horror comes with that, but the undenible fact is fascism often gets things done, as much as they terrorize and oppress. I could go on, but my question is: are you willing to autopsy the issues that will garner support? Will you advocate the Ds change to acheive success? Because it could still happen, but that has to happen. Real change for the people. Things that may go against the funders, that will be uncomfortable for the status quo while being being absolutely neccessary? Because it will do little to whine later. Unless your sole contribution is being a defense squad, eternal apologists, no better in this way than those southerners who yearn for their world that can never be again because America is different place and Americans are no longed antebellum minded?
I really cannot believe that people are STILL repeating the myth that Fascism "get the trains running on time." That BS has been debunked so hard there is really no excuse for still believing it. Just do a quick search on the Internet and you will easily find dozens of websites explaining how false the idea is.
I guess the idea is supposed to be that Fascism is "brutal but efficient," except the reality is that Fascism ISN'T efficient at anything BUT brutality.
Fascism is a universally corrupt system rife with corruption, graft, and cronyism. In fact, the system of Fascism is basically BASED on corruption and cronyism, and then using a minority group as scapegoat to assume the blame for all of the incompetent system's inherent and unavoidable failures. The way to gain more power in a Fascist system is NOT by displaying competence in your position, but instead is by showing unthinking loyalty to the ideology or to those higher in power, and by being skilled at shifting blame for your own failures onto others. Basically the same as in so many other forms of tyrannical and dictatorial power structures.
The only thing that Fascism DOES accomplish with any efficiency is terrorizing and destroying the minority groups it used as scapegoats, and eventually a Fascist system will devolve into nothing BUT running the system it set up to obliterate its scapegoats. Just look at Nazi Germany and the Holocaust to see how it all plays out; in the end, when the Nazis had basically lost the war and all the military, economic, and social structure of their country were crumbling around them, all due to the inherent corruption and incompetence of the Fascist system, the Nazis essentially gave up on trying to do anything else and just dedicated everything they had left to continuing the extermination of the Jews.
THAT is the only thing Fascism is ever able to "make run on time": DEATH.
Do you think I am advocating for fascism? I'm a Jew. I know well its dangers. I do not. The thing is that some people reflexively turn to unitary control, which is what fascism is, in times when they feel things are breaking down and the system isnt responding their needs. Fascism of course doesnt work, which is why the system needs to be reformed to work. And our system has broken down for many people because its shifted too far to the right and the wealthy. Our left most politicians, in this nations history and in many other places, would be considered center. This is why that term is meaningless here.
What I wrote wss a warning based on history. If you wish to argue with history. I will leave that to you. Empassioned statements based off smaller part of someones take when that take is not trolling, as mine arent, simply demonstrates your passionate objection to what you think I said rather than what I said. That lack of contextual intercommunication is, thus, simply going off rather than an attempt to engage in solid back and forth. My statements here are ALWAYS just that, friend. I have found that the responses I have received are anything but, being more suited for Reddit than any other discussion board/comment section. I am happy to be disagreed with and will engage in happy debate, including shifting my views, but rabidity is nothing I can respond to.